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离线nnrszgj
只看该作者 1860 发表于: 2009-07-11
Re:看看下面几个Lorenz 哪个正宗?

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我认为第3个是原厂的,第一个是斑马的,第2个肯定不是,看不清第4 第5 这种记得我也有~不好说是 第6 是81~看玻璃像是原厂的,81不太懂
[ 此贴被nnrszgj在2009-07-11 16: ]
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1861 发表于: 2009-07-11
Re:看看下面几个Lorenz 哪个正宗?

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公布答案:

1.英国Brimar
2.匈牙利TungSram
3.意大利CEI
4.荷兰Philips
5.匈牙利TungSram
6.德国Lorenz
离线yiping
只看该作者 1862 发表于: 2009-07-11
DF老师可否看看这对管子如何?谢谢!
离线yiping
只看该作者 1863 发表于: 2009-07-12
还有这个也请指点^_^
麻烦了!
西门子的 E82CC(=ECC802)






离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1864 发表于: 2009-07-12

DF老师可否看看这对管子如何?谢谢!


这个管是法国产 大多打Dario或RT的标. 声音纤细 活泼 清澈,高频柔顺有韵味,中低频较为薄弱
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1865 发表于: 2009-07-12

还有这个也请指点^_^
麻烦了!
西门子的 E82CC(=ECC802)

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这个管是1970年的Siemens的产品,HIFI性不错,平滑,中性,略带甜美,高频延伸和分析力好,中频不够厚,味道清单,不及60年前后Siemens三云母长屏5814/ECC802s全面和有韵.
离线yiping
只看该作者 1866 发表于: 2009-07-12
多谢DF老师指点^_^
离线音乐青年
只看该作者 1867 发表于: 2009-07-12
D兄,试过这种宝马吊灯丝发霉屏5u4吗?比GEC U52如何? [attachment=54383]
色本无色,只因人心带色。
音本无色,只因人心带声。
自古音无褒贬,色无优劣,致此色无界,音无律,只求一丝自我
只看该作者 1868 发表于: 2009-07-13

呵呵,好的, 另外再送你一只Raytheon 黑屏方环三云母5751/12ax7,换换口味,记得听完了上个听感报告.[表情]
建议你,
第一步只换一只12ax7,听上一两个小时,感受以下声音的改善.
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等待中---------
离线yavis
只看该作者 1869 发表于: 2009-07-13
代兄,帮忙看看这一对雷神。我一直没有注意两只有些不同:左侧一只有RATHEON字样,右侧一只没有,但有一个小图标,不知是什么。上机听不出2只有不同。
谢谢!
情感是音乐的灵魂
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1870 发表于: 2009-07-13

D兄,试过这种宝马吊灯丝发霉屏5u4吗?比GEC U52如何? [图片]


这个没听过,Brimar早期的声音还是不错的,帮GEC代工过不少管子
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1871 发表于: 2009-07-13

代兄,帮忙看看这一对雷神。我一直没有注意两只有些不同:左侧一只有RATHEON字样,右侧一只没有,但有一个小图标,不知是什么。上机听不出2只有不同。
谢谢!



这两只是Raytheon 60年代的6SN7GTB,右边一只好象打的是其他商标, 声音也是Raytheon一贯的风格,但未有50年代管的素质高.
看盒上标的参数只有7成多左右
离线古典music
只看该作者 1872 发表于: 2009-07-20
请知道的朋友看看这款300B声音如何?http://bbs.hifi168.com/showtopic-164763.aspx
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1873 发表于: 2009-07-20
资料分享: 关于BRIMAR管子的暗码鉴别
Brimar Factory Codes
Factory Codes
Some valve/tube manufacturers put a cryptic code on the glass, in addition to the normal valve type and logo etc. The factory code is often etched into the glass, so may remain when the normal printing has been rubbed off. The codes used by Philips/Mullard/Valvo etc. are well documented on the web (for example, see Philips Code List), but there is little information for the codes used by Brimar and other Thorn group brands (such as UK Mazda and later Ediswan).

I have gathered together some Brimar codes here. Some are gleaned from the web - I have tried to give correct attribution. Others are from my own collection - there seem to be lots of Mazda valves around on eBay in the UK at present.

Anyone owning Brimar/Mazda valves will know that their factory codes tend to be harder to read than the Philips ones, and more easily smudged. In many cases the code is less resilient than the normal printing, but there will be times when the code may be the only way of identifying the valve type so a list will hopefully be useful.

Structure of Brimar Codes
The suggestion given here is not my own, but gleaned from the Vintage Amps bulletin board - see the Wed Mar 07, 2007 9.08am post by saros141. A Brimar code consists of two parts. The first part is three characters, number-letter-number, which give the date of manufacture. The last number is the last digit of the year (so this suffers from the same ambiguity as the Philips code). The letter gives the month (A=January etc.), while the first number gives the week within the month. For example, 2C7 is the second week in March 1957 or 1967. However, I have a 6/30L2 (ECC804) which has a date code of 1N8 so are some letters omitted from the month code sequence, or is it more complicated than we think?

The second part is just a number, usually three or four digits long, which gives the valve type. Different versions of a particular valve type will have different numbers, although these may sometimes be grouped together. For example, 1573 and 1574 are types of ECC83 but so is 2162.

Between the two parts of the code there may be a slash /, or a space, or nothing at all. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish a three-digit number preceded by a slash from a four-digit number with no separator, so there is some uncertainty in some of the four-digit codes starting with 1. For example, the code for ECC82 is said to be 1571 (see ref AA1), but I have some which are clearly marked 571. However, I have some 19AQ5 marked 660, and others marked 1660, so perhaps xyz and 1xyz are sometimes related? Digits 5 and 8 can look quite similar. The code may be horizontal or vertical, and could occur at almost any height on the glass envelope. Sometimes it will be obscured by the normal printing.

Brimar Codes
Ref Code Eu US Other Notes  
DPK 195 EBC90  6AT6 DH77  
DPK 229 EK90  6BE6 X727  
DPK 244  6BR7 CV2135  see 8979  
VA1 422  6V6GTY CV511  
DPK 524  9BW6  
DPK 557  12AH8  
DPK 571 ECC82  12AU7 CV491  see also 1571
DPK 585  12BH7?  valve is unmarked but looks internally like a 12BH7  
DPK 660 HL90  19AQ5  150mA version of EL90/6AQ5, see also 1660
DPK 977 E83CC  12AX7WA CV4004, 6057 box anode, black, 1 flange, D getter - see 3977
DPK 1175 or 175?  6AK6  
DPK 1224 EF93  6BA6  see 6224
DPK 1234 EF90  6BH6  
DPK 1252  6BW6  see 3981
DPK 1274 EL821 6CH6 CV2127? see 3986
DPK 1291 PF818/EF812 7ED7/6EL7 30F5/6F23 30F5 and 6F23 are very similar, was one a mislabelling?  
DPK 1294 EE80   6F28  
DPK 1426 or 426? EZ90  6X4  
VA1 1432  6X5GT  
VA1 1565 ECC81  12AT7  
AA1 1571 ECC82  12AU7 CV491, CV4003, 13D4, 13D5, 13D8 see also 571
DPK, VA1 1573 ECC83  12AX7 CV4004 half-boxed-plate
DPK, VA1 1574 ECC83  12AX7  14mm plate  
DPK 1576 or 1876? ECC804 6GA8 6/30L2 I only have one of these; looks identical to 2195 version.
DPK 1660 HL90  19AQ5  150mA version of EL90/6AQ5, see also 660
DPK 1676 PCE800 9GB8  30FL2  
DPK 1681 PCC805 7EK7  30L15  
DPK 1682 PCC806  30L17  
DPK 1686 PCL801  30PL1  
DPK 1687 PCL800 16GK8 30PL13  
DPK 1791 ECL82  6BM8  6PL12  pentode anode grey, staples facing out, no grid tabs, see 2242  
DPK, VA1 1796 EL84  6BQ5  
DPK 1822 PL84  15CW5  300mA version of EL86  
DPK, VA1 2160 ECC81  12AT7  black wing anode with rounded end  
DPK, VA1 2162 ECC83  12AX7 CV4004 14mm plate
DPK, JR1 2167 ECC88  6DJ8   see also 3910  
DPK 2195 ECC804 6GA8 6/30L2 most of my ECC804 have this code
DPK 2242 ECL82  6BM8  6PL12  pentode anode black, staples facing in, grey heat tabs on control grid posts, see 1791
DPK 2510 PC97  4FY5    
DPK 2520 PCC84  7AN7 30L1  
DPK 2540 PCF80  9A8 30C1  
DPK 2562 PCL84  15DQ8    
DPK 2563 or 2568?   30PL15  
DPK 2701 KY80  2J2  U26  
TC1 3876  5965    
JR1 3910 ECC88  6DJ8   see also 2167
VA1,DPK 3977 ECC83  12AX7 CV4004, 6057 box anode, grey, 1 flange, O getter - see 977
DPK 3980 ECC81  12AT7 CV4024 SQ version, black single-flange anode with square end  
DPK 3981  6BW6   black anode, round getter, double support (see 1252)
DPK 3982? QV03/12 6062  CV4039, SQ 5763  
DPK 3986 or 3988? EL821 6CH6  CV4055 see 1274
VA1 3987 ECC82  12AU7 CV4003 17mm plate
DPK 6224 EF93  6BA6 CV454 see 1224  
DPK 8979  6BR7, 6059 CV4006, VX7081 SQ version? see 244  


References
Ref Name Ref Location  
AA1 Audio Asylum bulletin board
DPK My own collection
JR1 Jogis Roehrenbude website
TC1 Virtual Valve Museum
VA1 Vintage Amps bulletin board

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Back to audio home, Pinnacle valve P numbers, Valve distortion due to element shape

updated 26 Jan 2009: correct Philips link
离线古典music
只看该作者 1874 发表于: 2009-07-20
请教高烧有看看此管http://bbs.hifi168.com/showtopic-164763.aspx  声音如何?会不会是假的或次品.
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1875 发表于: 2009-07-20

请教高烧有看看此管http://bbs.hifi168.com/showtopic-164763.aspx  声音如何?会不会是假的或次品.

假的不会,但声音不清楚,没有听过
离线粉丝
只看该作者 1876 发表于: 2009-07-20
dfdfdf老师,我是初哥向您请教:
美星MC-7R胆前级,5Z3×1整流管,12AX7×2,12AU7×2,都是曙光的
打算投入1000元换胆,目前感觉高频有点冲,中频不够润,希望中高频更柔滑,低频更结实一点。希望老师指教一二,先谢啦!
离线dfdfdf
只看该作者 1877 发表于: 2009-07-21

dfdfdf老师,我是初哥向您请教:
美星MC-7R胆前级,5Z3×1整流管,12AX7×2,12AU7×2,都是曙光的
打算投入1000元换胆,目前感觉高频有点冲,中频不够润,希望中高频更柔滑,低频更结实一点。希望老师指教一二,先谢啦!


建议如下:
1.5Z3 换只老南京排丝5Z3PT  或 老南京黑屏5U4G
2.12AX7 换对荷兰60年代ECC83 或 Raytheon 黑屏方环三云母5751
3.12au7换对60年代Mullard 的ECC82 或 TungSol 喷碳12au7
[ 此贴被dfdfdf在2009-07-21 08:4 ]
离线粉丝
只看该作者 1878 发表于: 2009-07-21
谢谢老师!
离线jason_wy_ma
只看该作者 1879 发表于: 2009-07-22

谢谢老师!

粉丝兄,换胆前先看看灯丝供电情况。朋友的一台美星MC-7R胆前级,有供电不足的情况,灯丝电压才5V多,不知是否是各别情况。如果灯丝供电不足,会导致阴极中毒,胆管寿命很短。
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